Ciao-users May 2002

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RE: Mercury users
by Dupont, Michael 23 May '02

23 May '02

Antonio, Have you tried recompiling with www.cygwin.com? Also shared libs are called DLLS in windows. mike >> I received a couple of mails (off list) from Mercury users complaining >> about my affirmation that Mercury generates code ridiculously >> large. Sorry for that. I think I should not have expressed myself with >> these words. I use Mercury a lot and I wouldn't do it if I did not >> think that it is a good language. It happens that I was forced to >> migrate to Windows, and Mercury is not as well supported in Windows as >> in Linux. I think that it has something with Windows not having >> shared libraries. >> >> >> Antonio Eduardo Costa

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Mercury users
by Antonio Costa Pereira 23 May '02

23 May '02

I received a couple of mails (off list) from Mercury users complaining about my affirmation that Mercury generates code ridiculously large. Sorry for that. I think I should not have expressed myself with these words. I use Mercury a lot and I wouldn't do it if I did not think that it is a good language. It happens that I was forced to migrate to Windows, and Mercury is not as well supported in Windows as in Linux. I think that it has something with Windows not having shared libraries. Antonio Eduardo Costa ============================================================================== Message: Address: Action: help majordomo(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Info. on useful commands subscribe ciao-users-request(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Subscribe to this list unsubscribe ciao-users-request(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Unsubscribe from this list <whatever> ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Send message to list ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Archived messages: http://www.clip.dia.fi.upm.es/Mail/ciao-users/ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fwd: {RTCProd#379-418}Install very well on macos X 10.2
by Thomas De Contes 22 May '02

22 May '02

Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_k4sRKBPA9rIGOLGYCgsgMw)" --Boundary_(ID_k4sRKBPA9rIGOLGYCgsgMw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable hello i don't speak english currently, and i have probably missed something in this message can someone explain me which link there is between ciao and microsoft please ? D=E9but du message r=E9exp=E9di=E9 : > De : "info" <info(a)microsoft.com> > Date : Mer 22 mai 2002 01:59:21 Europe/Paris > =C0 : "Thomas De=A0Contes <d.l.deContes(a)ifrance.com> > Objet : RE:{RTCProd#379-418}Install very well on macos X 10.2 > R=E9pondre =E0 : "info" <info(a)microsoft.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;=20 > boundary=3D"----_NextPart_361382340_boundary" > X-Mailer: Talisma Mail Version 4.4 > > Hello, > > Thank you for contacting Microsoft. > > I am glad to know that you have contacted the manufacturer of Ciao. As > mentioned in the earlier mail, I feel sorry=A0Ciao which is not a > Microsoft product because I may be unable to assist you with this. > Since our Support Professionals are not trained to troubleshoot issues > with Ciao for Macintosh, we feel that your question would be best > addressed by Ciao for Macintosh `s technical support. > > However, if you would like assistance with any Microsoft product, > please feel free to contact us. > Thank You, > > Sara > Microsoft Online Customer Support Representative. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: =A0=A0Thomas De=A0Contes=A0 (d.l.deContes(a)iFrance.com) > Date: =A0=A0Tuesday, May 21, 2002=A0 05:14 AM > To: =A0=A0info (info(a)microsoft.com) > Subject: =A0Re: Install very well on macos X 10.2 > > > i have wrote to ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es > why do you tell me that you are sorry because ciao is not a microsoft > product ? > > Le mardi 21 mai 2002, =E0 10:08 , info a =E9crit : > > > Hello, > > > > Thank you for contacting Microsoft Web Support. > > > > I understand that you would like assistance with installing Ciao on > > your Macintosh operating system. I would like to inform you that we > > only support Microsoft products. I would like to inform you that we are > > available to assist customers with Web site navigation, general > > non-technical product information, and information regarding our > > product support structure. > > > > This product is not a Microsoft product , so I may be unable to assist > > you with this. Since our Support Professionals are not trained to > > troubleshoot issues with Ciao for Macintosh, we feel that your question > > would be best addressed by Ciao for Macintosh `s technical support. > > > > If after working with Ciao for Macintosh, they determine that the issue > > is with a Microsoft product , feel free to contact us again. At this > > point, however, we believe that your issue would be best addressed by > > support specialists trained on Ciao for Macintosh. > > > > It has been a pleasure assisting you, and I hope you are able to have > > this issue resolved as soon as possible. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Tina > > Microsoft Online Customer Representative > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: =A0=A0Thomas De Contes =A0(d.l.deContes(a)iFrance.com) > > Date: =A0=A0Monday, May 20, 2002 =A004:26 AM > > To: =A0=A0ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es (ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es) > > Subject: =A0Re: Install very well on macos X 10.2 > > > > > > Le dimanche 19 mai 2002, =E0 01:59 , David Strainchamps a =E9crit : > > > >> I install all the version of ciao very well on macos x. > >> I have macos X 10.1 with dev tools 10.1 > > > > i have devtools of september 2001 > > i don't know its number version, but maybe it's too old > > luckly, i just get the april 2002 version on a cd, with a friend who > > have an hot connexion, then i'll update it at once and retry > > > >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Message: =A0=A0=A0=A0Address: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Action: > > help =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0majordomo(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es = =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Info. on useful > > commands > > subscribe =A0=A0=A0ciao-users-request(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es =A0Subscribe = to this > > list > > unsubscribe =A0ciao-users-request(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es =A0Unsubscribe = from > > this list > > <whatever> =A0=A0ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0Send message to=20 > list > >=20 > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > > Archived messages: http://www.clip.dia.fi.upm.es/Mail/ciao-users/ > >=20 > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > =A0 > =A0 --Boundary_(ID_k4sRKBPA9rIGOLGYCgsgMw) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable hello i don't speak english currently, and i have probably missed something in this message =85 can someone explain me which link there is between ciao and microsoft please ? D=E9but du message r=E9exp=E9di=E9 : <excerpt><bold>De : </bold>"info" <<info(a)microsoft.com> <bold>Date : </bold>Mer 22 mai 2002 01:59:21 Europe/Paris <bold>=C0 : </bold>"Thomas De=A0Contes <<d.l.deContes(a)ifrance.com> <bold>Objet : </bold>RE:{RTCProd#379-418}Install very well on macos X 10.2 <bold>R=E9pondre =E0 : </bold>"info" <<info(a)microsoft.com> <bold>Content-Type: </bold>multipart/alternative; boundary=3D"----_NextPart_361382340_boundary" <bold>X-Mailer: </bold>Talisma Mail Version 4.4 Hello, =A0 Thank you for contacting Microsoft. =A0 I am glad to know that you have contacted the manufacturer of Ciao. As mentioned in the earlier mail, I feel sorry=A0Ciao which is not a Microsoft product because I may be unable to assist you with this. Since our Support Professionals are not trained to troubleshoot issues with Ciao for Macintosh, we feel that your question would be best addressed by Ciao for Macintosh `s technical support. =A0 However, if you would like assistance with any Microsoft product, please feel free to contact us. Thank You, =A0 Sara Microsoft Online Customer Support Representative. =A0 =A0 -----Original Message----- From: =A0=A0Thomas De=A0Contes=A0 = (<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>d.l.deContes(a)iFrance.com</= color></underline>) Date: =A0=A0Tuesday, May 21, 2002=A0 05:14 AM To: =A0=A0info = (<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>info(a)microsoft.com</color>= </underline>) Subject: =A0Re: Install very well on macos X 10.2 =A0 i have wrote to = <underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.= es</color></underline> why do you tell me that you are sorry because ciao is not a microsoft product ? =A0 Le mardi 21 mai 2002, =E0 10:08 , info a =E9crit : =A0 > Hello, > > Thank you for contacting Microsoft Web Support. > > I understand that you would like assistance with installing Ciao on > your Macintosh operating system. =A0I would like to inform you that we > only support Microsoft products. I would like to inform you that we are > available to assist customers with Web site navigation, general > non-technical product information, and information regarding our > product support structure. > > This product is not a Microsoft product , so I may be unable to assist > you with this. Since our Support Professionals are not trained to > troubleshoot issues with Ciao for Macintosh, we feel that your question > would be best addressed by Ciao for Macintosh `s technical support. > > If after working with Ciao for Macintosh, they determine that the issue > is with a Microsoft product , feel free to contact us again. At this > point, however, we believe that your issue would be best addressed by > support specialists trained on Ciao for Macintosh. > > It has been a pleasure assisting you, and I hope you are able to have > this issue resolved as soon as possible. > > Thank you, > > Tina > Microsoft Online Customer Representative > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: =A0=A0Thomas De Contes = =A0<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>(d.l.deContes(a)iFrance.co= m)</color></underline> > Date: =A0=A0Monday, May 20, 2002 =A004:26 AM > To: = =A0=A0<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>ciao-users(a)clip.dia.f= i.upm.es</color></underline> = <underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>(ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm= .es)</color></underline> > Subject: =A0Re: Install very well on macos X 10.2 > > > Le dimanche 19 mai 2002, =E0 01:59 , David Strainchamps a =E9crit : > >> I install all the version of ciao very well on macos x. >> I have macos X 10.1 with dev tools 10.1 > > i have devtools of september 2001 > i don't know its number version, but maybe it's too old > luckly, i just get the april 2002 version on a cd, with a friend who > have an hot connexion, then i'll update it at once and retry > > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Message: =A0=A0=A0=A0Address: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Action: > help = =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>maj= ordomo(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es</color></underline> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Info. on useful > commands > subscribe = =A0=A0=A0<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>ciao-users-request= @clip.dia.fi.upm.es</color></underline> =A0Subscribe to this > list > unsubscribe = =A0<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>ciao-users-request(a)clip.= dia.fi.upm.es</color></underline> =A0Unsubscribe from > this list > <<whatever> = =A0=A0<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>ciao-users(a)clip.dia.f= i.upm.es</color></underline> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Send message to list > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > Archived messages: = <underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>http://www.clip.dia.fi.upm.= es/Mail/ciao-users/</color></underline> > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- =A0 =A0 </excerpt>= --Boundary_(ID_k4sRKBPA9rIGOLGYCgsgMw)-- ============================================================================== Message: Address: Action: help majordomo(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Info. on useful commands subscribe ciao-users-request(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Subscribe to this list unsubscribe ciao-users-request(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Unsubscribe from this list <whatever> ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Send message to list ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Archived messages: http://www.clip.dia.fi.upm.es/Mail/ciao-users/ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fwd: {RTCProd#379-418}Install very well on macos X 10.2
by Thomas De Contes 22 May '02

22 May '02

Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ph41lEmpIgkukTwdrro/dg)" --Boundary_(ID_Ph41lEmpIgkukTwdrro/dg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable hello i don't speak english currently, and i have probably missed something in this message can someone explain me which link there is between ciao and microsoft please ? D=E9but du message r=E9exp=E9di=E9 : > De : "info" <info(a)microsoft.com> > Date : Mer 22 mai 2002 01:59:21 Europe/Paris > =C0 : "Thomas De=A0Contes <d.l.deContes(a)ifrance.com> > Objet : RE:{RTCProd#379-418}Install very well on macos X 10.2 > R=E9pondre =E0 : "info" <info(a)microsoft.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;=20 > boundary=3D"----_NextPart_361382340_boundary" > X-Mailer: Talisma Mail Version 4.4 > > Hello, > > Thank you for contacting Microsoft. > > I am glad to know that you have contacted the manufacturer of Ciao. As > mentioned in the earlier mail, I feel sorry Ciao which is not a > Microsoft product because I may be unable to assist you with this. > Since our Support Professionals are not trained to troubleshoot issues > with Ciao for Macintosh, we feel that your question would be best > addressed by Ciao for Macintosh `s technical support. > > However, if you would like assistance with any Microsoft product, > please feel free to contact us. > Thank You, > > Sara > Microsoft Online Customer Support Representative. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: =A0=A0Thomas De=A0Contes=A0 (d.l.deContes(a)iFrance.com) > Date: =A0=A0Tuesday, May 21, 2002=A0 05:14 AM > To: =A0=A0info (info(a)microsoft.com) > Subject: =A0Re: Install very well on macos X 10.2 > > > i have wrote to ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es > why do you tell me that you are sorry because ciao is not a microsoft > product ? > > Le mardi 21 mai 2002, =E0 10:08 , info a =E9crit : > > > Hello, > > > > Thank you for contacting Microsoft Web Support. > > > > I understand that you would like assistance with installing Ciao on > > your Macintosh operating system. I would like to inform you that we > > only support Microsoft products. I would like to inform you that we > > are available to assist customers with Web site navigation, general > > non-technical product information, and information regarding our > > product support structure. > > > > This product is not a Microsoft product , so I may be unable to assist > > you with this. Since our Support Professionals are not trained to > > troubleshoot issues with Ciao for Macintosh, we feel that your question > > would be best addressed by Ciao for Macintosh `s technical support. > > > > If after working with Ciao for Macintosh, they determine that the issue > > is with a Microsoft product , feel free to contact us again. At this > > point, however, we believe that your issue would be best addressed by > > support specialists trained on Ciao for Macintosh. > > > > It has been a pleasure assisting you, and I hope you are able to have > > this issue resolved as soon as possible. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Tina > > Microsoft Online Customer Representative > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: =A0=A0Thomas De Contes =A0(d.l.deContes(a)iFrance.com) > > Date: =A0=A0Monday, May 20, 2002 =A004:26 AM > > To: =A0=A0ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es = (ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es) > > Subject: =A0Re: Install very well on macos X 10.2 > > > > > > Le dimanche 19 mai 2002, =E0 01:59 , David Strainchamps a =E9crit : > > > >> I install all the version of ciao very well on macos x. > >> I have macos X 10.1 with dev tools 10.1 > > > > i have devtools of september 2001 > > i don't know its number version, but maybe it's too old > > luckly, i just get the april 2002 version on a cd, with a friend who > > have an hot connexion, then i'll update it at once and retry > > > >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Message: =A0=A0=A0=A0Address: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Action: > > help =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0majordomo(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es = =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Info. on useful > > commands > > subscribe =A0=A0=A0ciao-users-request(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es =A0Subscribe = to this > > list > > unsubscribe =A0ciao-users-request(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es =A0Unsubscribe = from > > this list > > <whatever> =A0=A0ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0Send message to=20 > list > >=20 > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > > Archived messages: http://www.clip.dia.fi.upm.es/Mail/ciao-users/ > >=20 > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > =A0 > =A0 --Boundary_(ID_Ph41lEmpIgkukTwdrro/dg) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable hello i don't speak english currently, and i have probably missed something in this message =85 can someone explain me which link there is between ciao and microsoft please ? D=E9but du message r=E9exp=E9di=E9 : <excerpt><bold>De : </bold>"info" <<info(a)microsoft.com> <bold>Date : </bold>Mer 22 mai 2002 01:59:21 Europe/Paris <bold>=C0 : </bold>"Thomas De=A0Contes <<d.l.deContes(a)ifrance.com> <bold>Objet : </bold>RE:{RTCProd#379-418}Install very well on macos X 10.2 <bold>R=E9pondre =E0 : </bold>"info" <<info(a)microsoft.com> <bold>Content-Type: </bold>multipart/alternative; boundary=3D"----_NextPart_361382340_boundary" <bold>X-Mailer: </bold>Talisma Mail Version 4.4 Hello, =A0 Thank you for contacting Microsoft. =A0 I am glad to know that you have contacted the manufacturer of Ciao. As mentioned in the earlier mail, I feel sorry=A0Ciao which is not a Microsoft product because I may be unable to assist you with this. Since our Support Professionals are not trained to troubleshoot issues with Ciao for Macintosh, we feel that your question would be best addressed by Ciao for Macintosh `s technical support. =A0 However, if you would like assistance with any Microsoft product, please feel free to contact us. Thank You, =A0 Sara Microsoft Online Customer Support Representative. =A0 =A0 -----Original Message----- From: =A0=A0Thomas De=A0Contes=A0 = (<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>d.l.deContes(a)iFrance.com</= color></underline>) Date: =A0=A0Tuesday, May 21, 2002=A0 05:14 AM To: =A0=A0info = (<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>info(a)microsoft.com</color>= </underline>) Subject: =A0Re: Install very well on macos X 10.2 =A0 i have wrote to = <underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.= es</color></underline> why do you tell me that you are sorry because ciao is not a microsoft product ? =A0 Le mardi 21 mai 2002, =E0 10:08 , info a =E9crit : =A0 > Hello, > > Thank you for contacting Microsoft Web Support. > > I understand that you would like assistance with installing Ciao on > your Macintosh operating system. =A0I would like to inform you that we > only support Microsoft products. I would like to inform you that we are > available to assist customers with Web site navigation, general > non-technical product information, and information regarding our > product support structure. > > This product is not a Microsoft product , so I may be unable to assist > you with this. Since our Support Professionals are not trained to > troubleshoot issues with Ciao for Macintosh, we feel that your question > would be best addressed by Ciao for Macintosh `s technical support. > > If after working with Ciao for Macintosh, they determine that the issue > is with a Microsoft product , feel free to contact us again. At this > point, however, we believe that your issue would be best addressed by > support specialists trained on Ciao for Macintosh. > > It has been a pleasure assisting you, and I hope you are able to have > this issue resolved as soon as possible. > > Thank you, > > Tina > Microsoft Online Customer Representative > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: =A0=A0Thomas De Contes = =A0<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>(d.l.deContes(a)iFrance.co= m)</color></underline> > Date: =A0=A0Monday, May 20, 2002 =A004:26 AM > To: = =A0=A0<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>ciao-users(a)clip.dia.f= i.upm.es</color></underline> = <underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>(ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm= .es)</color></underline> > Subject: =A0Re: Install very well on macos X 10.2 > > > Le dimanche 19 mai 2002, =E0 01:59 , David Strainchamps a =E9crit : > >> I install all the version of ciao very well on macos x. >> I have macos X 10.1 with dev tools 10.1 > > i have devtools of september 2001 > i don't know its number version, but maybe it's too old > luckly, i just get the april 2002 version on a cd, with a friend who > have an hot connexion, then i'll update it at once and retry > > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Message: =A0=A0=A0=A0Address: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Action: > help = =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>maj= ordomo(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es</color></underline> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Info. on useful > commands > subscribe = =A0=A0=A0<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>ciao-users-request= @clip.dia.fi.upm.es</color></underline> =A0Subscribe to this > list > unsubscribe = =A0<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>ciao-users-request(a)clip.= dia.fi.upm.es</color></underline> =A0Unsubscribe from > this list > <<whatever> = =A0=A0<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>ciao-users(a)clip.dia.f= i.upm.es</color></underline> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Send message to list > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > Archived messages: = <underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>http://www.clip.dia.fi.upm.= es/Mail/ciao-users/</color></underline> > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- =A0 =A0 </excerpt>= --Boundary_(ID_Ph41lEmpIgkukTwdrro/dg)-- ============================================================================== Message: Address: Action: help majordomo(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Info. on useful commands subscribe ciao-users-request(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Subscribe to this list unsubscribe ciao-users-request(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Unsubscribe from this list <whatever> ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Send message to list ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Archived messages: http://www.clip.dia.fi.upm.es/Mail/ciao-users/ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Ciao Prolog being slow
by Manuel Carro 21 May '02

21 May '02

Dear Ciao users, I am forwarding to the list a couple of messages which address matters we believe are of general interest. Antonio Costa Pereira <costa(a)ufu.br> worte: >> I am not an expert programmer. Therefore, I may be doing something >> very stupid. Please, be patient with me. I am a linguist, with special >> interest in Ancient Greek and Egyptian Hieroglyphics. I usually write >> my programs in Visual Prolog or Mercury, but I decided to take a look >> in other versions of Prolog. Therefore, I downloaded Gnuprolog and >> Ciao Prolog. I found out that Ciao Prolog runs so slowly in my >> machine that it is almost useless. Depending on the problem, it is >> from 40 times to 200 times slower than Mercury. A typical syntax >> analysis of a text with five pages in Hieroglyphics takes 5 minutes in >> Mercury, and almost four hours in Ciao Prolog in a 5 MHz Pentium! I >> checked the compiler options carefully to see whether I was doing >> something wrong ( like missing compiler options) to no >> avail. Therefore, I would be glad if people from this list could help >> me. A friend told me that there is an option that makes Ciao Prolog >> generate C code that is even faster than Mercury. What is the trick >> to generate this C code? I have Visual C installed in my machine, >> that I use to compile Mercury. Is Ciao Prolog as simple to compile as >> Mercury? Can I use Visual C to complete the compilation? Or should I >> use gcc in Cygwin? Hello. We wouldn't be surprised that Ciao Prolog goes slower than Mercury. After all, they are different languages, with Mercury requiring some more user effort, such as modes, types, determinism declarations, etc., which makes translation to C (or assembler) easier (though it is true that the latest Mercury releases do much of this job automatically --- more knowledgeable readers may want to add more information). However, the differences you mention exceed by far and large what we would expect. Probably some declarations in the Mercury program are helping a lot the compiler, and the Prolog possible counterparts (i.e., all that can be added to an otherwise correct Prolog program in order to help a steadfast execution) are missing. From the top of my head, I can guess that maybe determinism (or, better, the lack of it) might be the culprit: some cuts properly placed, and using indexing on the first argument, might help. How big is the program? Can it be understood after some reasonable time? If so, could you send it to me, along with some test cases? We obviously can't promise speedup, but if there is any point which can be straightforwardly improved, we may be able to spot it. Just for curiosity, and to see if I am in the right track, how does GNU Prolog behave? Are the figures you obtain as bad as Ciao Prolog's? Yes, it is true that we are working on compilation to C. However the compiler is still on a very preliminary stage, and although results are good, it is still far from being usable. MCL ________________________________________________ Nula aestetica sine etica. Ergo apaga y vámonos. ============================================================================== Message: Address: Action: help majordomo(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Info. on useful commands subscribe ciao-users-request(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Subscribe to this list unsubscribe ciao-users-request(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Unsubscribe from this list <whatever> ciao-users(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es Send message to list ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Archived messages: http://www.clip.dia.fi.upm.es/Mail/ciao-users/ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Install very well on macos X 10.2
by David Strainchamps 20 May '02

20 May '02

I install all the version of ciao very well on macos x. I have macos X 10.1 with dev tools 10.1

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Re: Ciao Prolog Version 1.8 just released!
by Manuel Carro 20 May '02

20 May '02

>> then, i have saw that there was some paths without write permissions >> i have read the comments, not understand all, and try this : >> >> SRC=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/ >> BINROOT=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/bin >> LIBROOT=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/lib >> DOCROOT=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/lpdoc_docs/ >> WEB_IMAGES_PATH=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/autre/ >> WEB_IMAGES_URL=/images/ >> INSTALL_PROLOG_NAME=no >> INSTALL_EMACS_SUPPORT=no >> WITH_MYSQL=no >> MYSQL_CLIENT_DIRECTORY=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/autre/ >> WITH_JAVA_INTERFACE=no >> USE_THREADS=no >> USE_POSIX_LOCKS=no >> OPTIM_LEVEL=optimized >> COMPRESS_LIBS=no >> >> the compilation runs less longer ! Try the following: * Make SRC to be /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0 (remove trailing slash). * Type: make distclean make install * If there is any problem, please report it to ciao-bug(a)clip.dia.fi.upm.es so as not to clutter other users mailbox; we will summarize and post to the rest of the users. Some more notes: the setting WEB_IMAGES_PATH=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/autre/ should point to a WWW-accessible path. If you do not plan to use Ciao Prolog to produce CGIs or generate WWW pages which use the icons in $SRC/library/pillow/images, the value of WEB_IMAGES_PATH is not important. Otherwise you should set it correctly. Also, USE_THREADS=no does not report any real advantage. We will probably remove that flag in a future and let the compilation process to guess the correct value. Set it to "yes". MCL ____________________________________ I like beer for breakfast sometimes.

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fink
by Thomas De Contes 20 May '02

20 May '02

why not include ciao into fink ?

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Re: Ciao Prolog Version 1.8 just released!
by Thomas De Contes 20 May '02

20 May '02

Le dimanche 19 mai 2002, à 06:20 , Thomas De Contes a écrit : > Le samedi 18 mai 2002, à 02:45 , Paulo Moura a écrit : > >> On Friday, May 17, 2002, at 09:51 PM, d.l.deContes(a)iFrance.com wrote: >> >>> Le jeudi 16 mai 2002, à 11:43 , MCL a écrit : >>> >>>> Version 1.8 patch 0 of Ciao Prolog has just been released. It is >>>> available in the usual place, >>>> >>>> Some small (but relevant) changes have been introduced since our >>>> last announcement: , and a (long) filename was changed to allow >>>> compilation on newer versions of Mac OS X. >>> >>> i have the same error >>> i needn't log as root, need i ? >> >> Yes, you need to be root to do the "make install". Try: >> >> % sudo make install >> >> and enter your password when asked. Of course, you need administration >> privileges for this to work. If not, then you can always change the >> paths in the SETTINGS file to point to directories where you have >> permission to write. > > of course, i have permission to write : > > SRC=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/ > BINROOT=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/bin > LIBROOT=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/lib > DOCROOT=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/lpdoc_docs/ > > i want to not log as root if it's not needed at the beginning, i had only read this in the INSTALL file : " 2. Enter the newly created directory (`SRC'). Edit `SETTINGS' and check/set the variables `SRC', `BINROOT' (where the executables will go), `LIBROOT' (where the libraries will go), and `DOCROOT' (where the documentation will go, preferably a directory _accessible via_ WWW)." and then my SETTINGS file was : SRC=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/ BINROOT=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/bin/ LIBROOT=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/lib/ DOCROOT=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/lpdoc_docs/ WEB_IMAGES_PATH=/home/clip/public_html/images WEB_IMAGES_URL=/images/ INSTALL_PROLOG_NAME=yes INSTALL_EMACS_SUPPORT=yes WITH_MYSQL=yes MYSQL_CLIENT_DIRECTORY=/usr/lib/mysql WITH_JAVA_INTERFACE=yes USE_THREADS=yes USE_POSIX_LOCKS=no OPTIM_LEVEL=optimized COMPRESS_LIBS=no this makes the error i have already post then, i have saw that there was some paths without write permissions i have read the comments, not understand all, and try this : SRC=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/ BINROOT=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/bin LIBROOT=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/lib DOCROOT=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/lpdoc_docs/ WEB_IMAGES_PATH=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/autre/ WEB_IMAGES_URL=/images/ INSTALL_PROLOG_NAME=no INSTALL_EMACS_SUPPORT=no WITH_MYSQL=no MYSQL_CLIENT_DIRECTORY=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/autre/ WITH_JAVA_INTERFACE=no USE_THREADS=no USE_POSIX_LOCKS=no OPTIM_LEVEL=optimized COMPRESS_LIBS=no the compilation runs less longer ! [localhost:thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0] essais% make install *** ========================================================= *** Compiling ciao *** ========================================================= make eng compiler applications libraries make createsrcdir if test ! -d /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//bin ; then \ mkdir /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//bin ; \ touch /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//bin/NODISTRIBUTE ; \ chmod 775 /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//bin ; \ chmod 664 /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//bin/NODISTRIBUTE ; \ fi if test ! -d /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//bin/DARWINppc ; then \ mkdir /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//bin/DARWINppc ; chmod 775 /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//bin/DARWINppc ; fi cd /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//bin/DARWINppc && \ ln -s ../../engine/*.[ch] . && \ ln -s ../../engine/Makefile . && \ rm -f configure.h make createincludedir if test ! -d /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//include ; then \ mkdir /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//include ; \ chmod 775 /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//include ; \ touch /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//include/NODISTRIBUTE ; fi if test ! -d /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//include/DARWINppc ; then \ mkdir /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//include/DARWINppc ; chmod 775 /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//include/DARWINppc ; fi *** --------------------------------------------------------- *** Compiling ciao engine for DARWINppc... *** --------------------------------------------------------- make -j1 version-ciao rm -f /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//bin/DARWINppc/version.c make -j1 dostateng (umask 002 && cd /Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0//bin/DARWINppc && make configure.h && \ make -j1 ciaoengine ADDOBJ='sockets_c.o random.o ' \ CURRLIBS=' ') cc -O3 -Wall -DATOMGC -DFOREIGN_FILES -DDARWIN -Dppc -o configure configure.c /bin/rm -f configure.h ./configure "-O3 -Wall -DATOMGC -DFOREIGN_FILES -DDARWIN -Dppc " > configure.h cc -O3 -Wall -DATOMGC -DFOREIGN_FILES -DDARWIN -Dppc -c -o wam.o wam.c cc -O3 -Wall -DATOMGC -DFOREIGN_FILES -DDARWIN -Dppc -c -o format.o format.c cc -O3 -Wall -DATOMGC -DFOREIGN_FILES -DDARWIN -Dppc -c -o inout.o inout.c cc -O3 -Wall -DATOMGC -DFOREIGN_FILES -DDARWIN -Dppc -c -o misc.o misc.c cc -O3 -Wall -DATOMGC -DFOREIGN_FILES -DDARWIN -Dppc -c -o startgoal.o startgoal.c cc -O3 -Wall -DATOMGC -DFOREIGN_FILES -DDARWIN -Dppc -c -o ciao.o ciao.c cc -O3 -Wall -DATOMGC -DFOREIGN_FILES -DDARWIN -Dppc -c -o nondet.o nondet.c nondet.c:966: illegal expression, found `else' cpp-precomp: warning: errors during smart preprocessing, retrying in basic mode nondet.c: In function `next_instance': nondet.c:663: warning: unused variable `root' nondet.c: In function `wait_for_an_instance_pointer': nondet.c:966: parse error before `else' make[3]: *** [nondet.o] Erreur 1 make[2]: *** [dostateng] Erreur 2 make[1]: *** [stateng] Erreur 2 make: *** [all] Erreur 2 can someone explain me what happens ? in the case of this would work as root, please can someone inform me whiches operations the installer would do, which can't do as is ? (i don't like open fully my computer for an application which i don't know)

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Re: Ciao Prolog Version 1.8 just released!
by Thomas De Contes 20 May '02

20 May '02

Le samedi 18 mai 2002, à 02:45 , Paulo Moura a écrit : > > On Friday, May 17, 2002, at 09:51 PM, d.l.deContes(a)iFrance.com wrote: > >> >> Le jeudi 16 mai 2002, à 11:43 , MCL a écrit : >> >>> Version 1.8 patch 0 of Ciao Prolog has just been released. It is >>> available in the usual place, >>> >>> Some small (but relevant) changes have been introduced since our >>> last announcement: , and a (long) filename was changed to allow >>> compilation on newer versions of Mac OS X. >> >> i have the same error >> i needn't log as root, need i ? > > Yes, you need to be root to do the "make install". Try: > > % sudo make install > > and enter your password when asked. Of course, you need administration > privileges for this to work. If not, then you can always change the > paths in the SETTINGS file to point to directories where you have > permission to write. of course, i have permission to write : SRC=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/ BINROOT=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/bin LIBROOT=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/lib DOCROOT=/Users/thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0/lpdoc_docs/ i want to not log as root if it's not necessary

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